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indesign

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I can't really tell from the video. I can't read any Japanese. Could you give a brief translation of the highlights.
 
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wathavy4

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According to the Engineer, the Fukushima Daiichi power plant is leaking intermittently by pressure relief action taken as the counter measure action to relief internal pressure.

So, the radio active sources are released by intention.

They have the "SPPEDI" which predicts the contamination and the degree for the area, at which the TEPCO (Tokyo power supply firm) supposed to warn and distribute Iodine for neutralizing Iodine isotope (I 131).
http://www.bousai.ne.jp/eng/

But "SPEEDI" system is only used to calculate the accumulated contamination over the last 12 days and the Government did not distribute the Iodine chemical at all so none worked for children nor adults there.

No preemptive actions taken, nor no plain explanation is done.

He only speculate that they can only maintain , at the best, the current condition which is fuel melting down and pressure goes up all the time and they pour water /sea water and the vapor pressure goes up and on and on and on.... for another maybe a decade or more.

Or, if they screw up more, it might blow up a reactor or two, he hinted.

Those video has English translations (which made the video time longer than Japanese alone).
Her English is quite well done. (Far better than mine.)

Anyway, the broadcasters are independent group of people, so they are free from government pressure.
They sound quite neutral.

The things were not yet seized. They go a lot worse than we were thinking. Gov and NHK have been hiding the truth perhaps. Nobody knows the truth, but today's 3 worker's beta radiation also supports that there is the radio active sources leaked to the perimeters of the reactors.

I sent tap water from my house to my cousins in Tokyo today. Their ground child is expected to be born in a month time, so I asked if they need any.
I chat with the delivery clerk and they said today there are dozens of people here in Nagano sending waters to those areas. And they don't expect the water may arrive on time due to heavy traffic toward there.

Anyway, it's not quite good here.

Thanks for your attention, Tim.
:D
 
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indesign

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Very bad when you are being dosed and they do not tell you. We have been hearing reports that the food and water there is contaminated but not to any extent of how bad or the damage it will do to the people.

It seems there is a larger area being affected than being reported but they have only evacuated a small area (small compared to what should be).
 
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wathavy4

Alibre Super User
keyepitts said:
Not sure if I can get this link to work, but here's a forum where some nuclear (and non-nuclear) engineers are discussing the problems at Fukushima-

http://www.eng-tips.com/threadminder.cfm?pid=466&page=1
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Thanks.

A bit peeping tells me that BWP and all that are well explained in the link I attached more in detail.
How the structure leaks when and how much their designed Pressure vs temperature at which criteria met.
And the operator at station would act to release the pressure at what spot with at condition and so on.
It's quite summarized so I would not repeat it here.

And the explanation on the radiation dosages are taken from wikis I saw them, read them and the forum is discussing on the wiki bases. :(

I don't try to put it down, but it might be over whelming to follow due to the amount of the threads counts and some simply does not quote information sources.

Tonight here 19:00 Tokyo -9 GMT
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/cnic-news
The newer updates would be on line. They will be recorded, too.
Long, but it seems summarized.

And apparently their reports are neutralized than public ones from government or TEPCO.
And as you know Japanese won't use English. Which eliminates foreign medias dried up with information, just like some of the pressure vessels. 8)

But, I appreciate that you're paying great attention on the issue. :D

P.S.
NHK updated that the water found on the floor 15cm deep is as dense as the reactor's water with radio active material percentage. And they indicated that the unknown leakage is there in the building next to the reactor's one. Which was also mentioned in the last post, less clearly. (Because he doesn't speculate without precise information.)
 
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indesign

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I hope things are stable where you are at Toshi. I was reading a report today and found this

"But elevated levels of radiation have already turned up in raw milk, seawater and 11 kinds of vegetables, including broccoli, cauliflower and turnips. Tap water in several areas of Japan -- including Tokyo -- also showed radiation levels considered unsafe for infants, who are particularly vulnerable to cancer-causing radioactive iodine, officials said."

quoted from
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/25 ... =obnetwork
 
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wathavy4

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Thank you for your concern, Tim.

The report you quoted seems to be a week old to me.
As I might have mentioned earlier, the foreign medias are out of their reach due to the linguistic barrier they have.
Or another way of saying, Japanese won't publish their information nor in Japanese, will never be in English.

The CNIC quit broadcast on the 24th. I only speculated they also were paid off by the government.

So, I have no more clue.

But, I have a radiation detector at office. And it could measure both gamma and beta radiation.
http://www2.aloka.co.jp/products/data/r ... 02-ICS-321
Specification only available in Japanese.
http://www.aloka.co.jp/products/data/ra ... CS-331-323
The one I have work for 0.1 uSv/h to 10 mSv/h per square cm.

So far as I checked I had no airborne radiation here in Nagano. I haven't examined water nor food with this, since I cannot bring the detector out of the factory.... you know, I don't want to scare people more by using it to see beta radiation on water, and I don't think this is that sensitive to the isotope in the water, unless it's heavily contaminated.(No concrete reasoning...I am not the specialist.)

[We all are only aware that our ages are not considered to be immediate danger to have cancer rate high because of our shorter life expectancies. Older generation would die due mainly to other reasons than cancers. And they all are more susceptible to physical disabilities than cancer alone. ]--> The statistics shows general cancer occupies 30% 5 years ago. And the rate is getting higher every year. My bad...(Edit by Toshi) And it is not so simple... again I am not specialized in this field.....

Younger generations are at their high risk. And this is going to be the massive field test for nuclear reactor's failure. GE sold 100 over Mark 1 type. There are around 30 still under operation.
I bet a query you might hear from this incident could be ..

Are we sure that our future energy could come from this type of sources? :?
 
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wathavy4

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At least Toyota resumed gas electric hybrid car production.
http://www.asahi.com/english/TKY201103250236.html
The rest seems stalled.

Today's news only in Japanese... not translated....So I put the Google translate link below as well as it's contents.(Machine translation seems oddly working, to me, though.)
http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... 00&act=url

Radioactive substances from vegetables grown in Fukushima, cesium detected more cases
2011/3/31 2:18
Print
Ministry of Health on March 30, 42 samples of vegetables were taken in Fukushima Prefecture, 28, announced that radioactive material was detected in the samples exceeded the provisional regulation 25. Radioactive cesium (500 becquerels per kilogram preliminary limits) more cases are detected, the highest value was approximately 68 times the value of the provisional regulation. The government has already stopped shipments, and to limit intake, not the market distribution.

Becquerels of radioactive cesium was highest at 34,000 were detected in spinach Ootama village in the prefecture, city Kukitachina becquerels of 87,000,001 followed Motomiya. Radioactive iodine (2000 becquerels per kilogram preliminary limits), the city of Tamura spinach (Becquerel 8400), the highest, followed by spinach Ootama village (Becquerel 5900).

The towns Minamiaidu and Aizu-Wakamatsu But Fukushima is not been detected radioactive material from the vegetable rep said: "At the moment, there is a tendency to be found along the waterfront there are primary," he said.
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P.S. Edited.
BBC seems relatively reflecting what is happening here in Japan.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12903725
The emperor's report seems to be a bit of British ...to me, though. :p

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