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New Alibre Website

GaretDH

Senior Member
Mibe said:
Please focus on what you actually GET not what you lose.

I speak only for myself, of course, but the reason I was griping had more to do with the fact that reasons we buy and maintain the software are going away and our maintenance goes ever upward. It's nice that Motion and Vault are included, but what if I don't need those? It's like Alibre is saying "We're taking away your transmission, but here, you can have these fuzzy dice for your mirror at the same low cost!"

I know you can't please everyone, and there are real business decisions that Alibre has to make. I was feeling left behind, like I said in my previous post.

That said, I am thrilled that Alibre has made a discounted offer for a license to HyperShot Web. I have taken them up on it and am glad that they have not left maintenance customers in the dust, as I was fearing.

Garet
 

NateLiquidGravity

Alibre Super User
Mibe said:
The SolidWorks import was NOT included orginally in Expert, it actually cost about $200. Alibre later on GAVE away this for a while, not sure why. Where was you posive reacion in the forum when this happened? Remember that this is a licensed product, so It's practically impossible to make a retroactive license activation, since that would cost Alibre a lot of money.

That smells like bullshizzle your stepping in. My Alibre Design Pro was purchased at a time where it included Solidworks import. It was up to Alibre to offer this as part of the deal and should not be revoked.

That said I can understand maintenance costs not decreasing because it is maintenance on a package and that money can be used to increase the core Alibre Design more or any other part of the package and I'm fine with it. I'm very happy that Alibre is offering a nice discount on HyperShot Web to existing customers in their last email to me.
 

MilesH

Alibre Super User
pickarskiracing said:
1. The LOSS of the ability to import solidworks files unless I buy Translate.

But it says on the new website:
Alibre Design can import the following formats with no additional add-ons:

* SolidWorks: 1999 to 2009 (*.sldprt, *.sldasm)
* STEP 203/214
* IGES
* Rhino 3DM
* SAT
* DWG
* DXF
* BMP/JPG/PNG/GIF/TIF/DIB/RLE/JFIF/EMF

So, this is only for new customers?
 
Well, I just tried it & it works. I pulled a "native" solidworks file down from Bimba's website (a wonderfully done site, btw, for engineers) and it worked.

I had tried the same thing before the recent "opening screen" update & I got a different result: it told me I wasn't licensed for that.

Likewise though, I also tried to EXPORT a drawing to solidworks and I DID get the "not licenced for that" note.
 

MilesH

Alibre Super User
pickarskiracing said:
Likewise though, I also tried to EXPORT a drawing to solidworks and I DID get the "not licenced for that" note.

Sure, but that wasn't there previously, though......
 

NateLiquidGravity

Alibre Super User
Yes, import existed pre Alibre Translate release and export only for Alibre Translate users. It is good to hear its not going away.
 

Mibe

Alibre Super User
NateLiqGrav said:
Mibe said:
The SolidWorks import was NOT included orginally in Expert, it actually cost about $200. Alibre later on GAVE away this for a while, not sure why. Where was you posive reacion in the forum when this happened? Remember that this is a licensed product, so It's practically impossible to make a retroactive license activation, since that would cost Alibre a lot of money.
That smells like bullshizzle your stepping in. My Alibre Design Pro was purchased at a time where it included Solidworks import. It was up to Alibre to offer this as part of the deal and should not be revoked.

Not sure what you mean by that? bullshizzle? So you are telling me that the SolidWorks Add-On did not cost $199 when it first arrived? Strange, since I clearly remember that it was even more expensive before Datakit got partnered with Alibre ($600?) And, for your knowledge, I'm still not sure why Alibre/Datakit suddenly added the SW Add-On. I guess that's a industry secret ;)

And who told you it was removed when Translate arrived? Not me anyway, so you have to look for the BS someplace else, I guess.

What I'm really saying is; when Alibre ADDS functionality at no extra cost, the positive responses are a lot fewer than the negative responses when Alibre switch/remove old functionality and usually can't make a retroactive switch for tens of thousands of users. I guess that depends on the partner.

Some people in this forum literally cries over $50/year in additional costs. Please, this is a professional application and is - not even close - comparable with it's main competitor, AutoCad LT, which has about the same price tag, well even more expensive I think. Remember the days before Alibre arrived? I guess we still would have to pay at least $4000 for the cad software and $1000 in annual maintenances... I know, for sure, that It would be even more expensive if SolidWorks did'nt take the step in 1995.
 

leeave96

Senior Member
I think that a lot of negative posting boils down to this: Albire got off to a great start. When I bought it, there was only one version, I think that was V6. Steady improvements were added - not all this tangential stuff, and all was well. Somewhere along the way, Alibre started adding features and jacking-up the price; hence Pro and Expert - all fine. But Alibre is absolutely NOT in the same league as Solidworks. The workarounds to get the features that were standard in SW years ago have yet to be implemented. Up through V10, I thought AD was doing a good job of chipping away at SW and satisifying one person and small office businesses with their software - not so much now.

Vault is flawed, drafting is lacking, assembly tools continue to be unimplemented and there are ZERO tools to manage WFS. As a loyal Alibre user I use to be excited about the product; these days, it's very discouraging.

From a file management standpoint, I find it hard to recommend the software to shops that have any complexity/agility requirements. From a drafting standpoint, AD is sorely lacking behind SW. Managing assemblies can be VERY time consuming in terms of part replacement, etc. All of the above is fine if one has time AND the client (or your boss) doesn't care that time is money; but if you have to charge the client more hours to make the work arounds that have been around with SW for years, to me, is unfair. Right now if a client asked me what they should do on a tight budget, I'd recommend a seat of SW and forget the maintainence. With AD's lousy track record of implementing enhancements, you could use that seat of SW for 10 years and be confident AD would have not caught-up in terms of features.

Bill
 

MadCap

Member
Mr. Bill,

One note from my side. I read your recent -beefs- and I am surprised.
A year ago we started with our first Alibre Pro license. (Also here as board member)
Last month we have changed with 7 seats of SolidWorks to Alibre Pro.
The possibilities of M-files are great, the functionality of Alibre is as easy to evaluate and Hypershot is the better option than Photoworks.
(Currend 2 HD and 5 web licenses.)
We are experienced mechanical CAD engineers for years and we can not understand/retrace your comments.
No specific IT skills are required and our tec. support was able to give answers of all our questions in minutes.

Alibre includes problems, of course, but all other CAD packages have these or other problems and some workarounds are needed.
That's why we're all here a community, everyone helps each other.

Probably your problem is located in a very different place...and only a specialist can help in this matter.
I mean that seriously, because it is an insult to read your nonsense here.

...just my two cents...

MadCap and his team.
 

HaroldL

Alibre Super User
After spending some time to give the Alibre web site a good look, I couldn't help but notice the section on Sheet Metal. The Hypershot rendered model at the top of the page has a few formed features. As I studied them, it looks like they are created in one of two ways.

First they could be created by modifying a dimple feature to cut away most of a dimple except for the multi-formed tang protruding into the middle. There appears to be some flange features applied to the remaining tang that is left in the middle of the feature.

The second method involves simply cutting out a rectangle then adding in some flanges to define the profile of the tang.

Both of these methods are time consuming an prone to error if all the fieature parameters are not copied exactly from feature to feature. I tried to recreate the features using both methods and they are both extremely time consuming. I can only hope the model was created in v12 with some advanced sheet metal formed feature tools. Applying a formed feature in one step is much more preferred to repeating the multiple steps that are currently needed to create these features.

Looking forward to v12

H.
v11.2
 

leeave96

Senior Member
MadCap said:
Probably your problem is located in a very different place...and only a specialist can help in this matter.
I mean that seriously, because it is an insult to read your nonsense here.

MadCap and his team.

Very nice.

Bill
 

Leno

Member
Bill,

In order to clarify some things, aginst your well known and legendary manipulation attempts:

MadCap said:
Mr. Bill,

One note from my side. I read your recent -beefs- and I am surprised.
A year ago we started with our first Alibre Pro license. (Also here as board member)
Last month we have changed with 7 seats of SolidWorks to Alibre Pro.
The possibilities of M-files are great, the functionality of Alibre is as easy to evaluate and Hypershot is the better option than Photoworks.
(Currend 2 HD and 5 web licenses.)
We are experienced mechanical CAD engineers for years and we can not understand/retrace your comments.
No specific IT skills are required and our tec. support was able to give answers of all our questions in minutes.

Alibre includes problems, of course, but all other CAD packages have these or other problems and some workarounds are needed.
That's why we're all here a community, everyone helps each other.

Probably your problem is located in a very different place...and only a specialist can help in this matter.
I mean that seriously, because it is an insult to read your nonsense here.

...just my two cents...

MadCap and his team.

But you try to manipulate:

leeave96 said:
MadCap said:
Probably your problem is located in a very different place...and only a specialist can help in this matter.
I mean that seriously, because it is an insult to read your nonsense here.

MadCap and his team.

Very nice.

Bill

Stop this nonsense immediately. :evil:
 

leeave96

Senior Member
Wow!

Always glad to get smeared when trying to help push enhancements and pointing out AD's short comings as relative to, for example, basic features that SW has had for years.

But like a high priority enhancement request, I will refrain from posting in the future so as not to offend anyone - except where I can offer a tip for helping a user on how to make a part, model, dwg, etc.

Back to lurking - take care everyone.

Bill


Leno said:
Bill,

In order to clarify some things, aginst your well known and legendary manipulation attempts:


Stop this nonsense immediately. :evil:
 

Ralf

Alibre Super User
So Bill, you're a SolidWorks Reseller, but then you're in the wrong forum here.
Here is the Alibre Forum. You knew that, or you just want to provoke here?
 

wfpelletier

Senior Member
Leno said:
Bill,

In order to clarify some things, aginst your well known and legendary manipulation attempts:

MadCap said:
Mr. Bill,

One note from my side. I read your recent -beefs- and I am surprised.
A year ago we started with our first Alibre Pro license. (Also here as board member)
Last month we have changed with 7 seats of SolidWorks to Alibre Pro.
The possibilities of M-files are great, the functionality of Alibre is as easy to evaluate and Hypershot is the better option than Photoworks.
(Currend 2 HD and 5 web licenses.)
We are experienced mechanical CAD engineers for years and we can not understand/retrace your comments.
No specific IT skills are required and our tec. support was able to give answers of all our questions in minutes.

Alibre includes problems, of course, but all other CAD packages have these or other problems and some workarounds are needed.
That's why we're all here a community, everyone helps each other.

Probably your problem is located in a very different place...and only a specialist can help in this matter.
I mean that seriously, because it is an insult to read your nonsense here.

...just my two cents...

MadCap and his team.

But you try to manipulate:

leeave96 said:
MadCap said:
Probably your problem is located in a very different place...and only a specialist can help in this matter.
I mean that seriously, because it is an insult to read your nonsense here.

MadCap and his team.

Very nice.

Bill

Stop this nonsense immediately. :evil:

As far as I can tell, Bill was just pointing out what he felt were shortcomings in the Alibre software, and wasn't attacking anyone personally. I agree with many of his points, and disagree with him on others (particularly regarding the Vault, which after some reflection I believe is a step forward from the Repository). I don't find anything Bill was saying to be 'nonsense', nor do I think it is justified that he be advised to 'stop it immediately.' I frankly hope he keeps posting, whether I or anyone else agrees with him or not.

Also, it is too bad that some find criticism of Alibre's software 'an insult''. Perhaps they are the ones that need to see a specialist.

wfpelletier
 

Uman

Senior Member
I think that a lot of negative posting boils down to this: Albire got off to a great start. When I bought it, there was only one version, I think that was V6. Steady improvements were added - not all this tangential stuff, and all was well. Somewhere along the way, Alibre started adding features and jacking-up the price; hence Pro and Expert - all fine. But Alibre is absolutely NOT in the same league as Solidworks. The workarounds to get the features that were standard in SW years ago have yet to be implemented. Up through V10, I thought AD was doing a good job of chipping away at SW and satisifying one person and small office businesses with their software - not so much now.

Vault is flawed, drafting is lacking, assembly tools continue to be unimplemented and there are ZERO tools to manage WFS. As a loyal Alibre user I use to be excited about the product; these days, it's very discouraging.

From a file management standpoint, I find it hard to recommend the software to shops that have any complexity/agility requirements. From a drafting standpoint, AD is sorely lacking behind SW. Managing assemblies can be VERY time consuming in terms of part replacement, etc. All of the above is fine if one has time AND the client (or your boss) doesn't care that time is money; but if you have to charge the client more hours to make the work arounds that have been around with SW for years, to me, is unfair. Right now if a client asked me what they should do on a tight budget, I'd recommend a seat of SW and forget the maintainence. With AD's lousy track record of implementing enhancements, you could use that seat of SW for 10 years and be confident AD would have not caught-up in terms of features.

Bill

Bill I have been here since V6 and I think your comments are all on target and accurate. I gotta tell ya, I spent all night and most of this morning trying to set up the @#$%^&* Vault and I am angry too. Maybe we all have the Vault-flu :mrgreen: . This forum progressively gets more hostile with each new release. I can't wait until V12 hits the street!

Jeff in sunny Florida
 

NateLiquidGravity

Alibre Super User
Mibe,
I apologize for my 'bullshizzle' comment. At the time I was under the impression that the SolidWorks Importer had been suddenly removed. Given the removal of many Xpress features lately it seamed possible.

To the rest,
I have seen many improvements in Alibre in the short time I have had it. Vault is a very nice improvement over the repository but should have been given better documentation specific to Alibre users. For example how to use traditional folders that is much more like the repository. I use traditional folders almost exclusively to do the basic sorting. V12 is already looking like it will be a big update. I can see that many user suggested enhancements are being put in there. I know a bunch of mine are.
 

HaroldL

Alibre Super User
ralf3 said:
Hi Harold,

If I understand correctly, please have a look at : Louver in 4 steps.
http://www.alibre.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=29016#29016

But anyway, you are right, locking forward to V12. :)

Ralf,
Until you posted that technique for making louvers (thank you for that) I was at a loss to see how louvers could be done in Alibre. I can now see how a dimple can be modified to create other formed features. While the technique is easy enough to create the feature on one face, it takes time. When you need to create the same or different formed features on an adjacent face and at different sizes, you quickly desire a one-step solution to applying these formed features. It would be nice to be able to capture those steps in one drag-and-drop feature from a library.

In my day job we use SW and have quite a library of forming tools for lances, louvers, extruded holes, etc, and for those that we don't have it is easy enough to create them on-the-fly. I guess I've just gotten used to that functionality.

I did see in the uservoice feeback forum that formed features are being worked on, so I guess we'll see what they come up with.

H.
v11.2
 
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