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FW: [Alibre Design] Re: ModelPress Install Error

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From: Scott Wertel[SMTP:SWERTEL@YAHOO.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 2:08:10 PM
To: alibre@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Alibre Design] Re: ModelPress Install Error
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FYI:

The attachments should go in the binaries forum. To do this, you
start this thread in the add-on forum and make a note that you will
be posting an attachment to the binaries forum. You then start
another thread in the binaries area, preferably with the same title,
and include you attachment. I know it is a few extra steps, but for
those without broadband, it saves a lot of time to review posts.

--Scott


--- In alibre@yahoogroups.com, "Barry Kingwill" <barry@t...> wrote:
> Model Press Install Error
>
> I would have posted this to the "Add-On's" section of the new
Webforum, but you cannot include attachments and images there.
>
> I get this error (attached) when trying to install either
ModelPress Publisher, or just ModelPress Viewer.
>
> The installation goes no further than this message.
>
> Any clues?
>
> Regs
>
> Barry
>
>
> ---
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FW: [Alibre Design] Re: ModelPress Install Error

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From: Barry Kingwill[SMTP:BARRY@TRITON.CO.ZA]
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 2:24:50 PM
To: alibre@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Alibre Design] Re: ModelPress Install Error
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Scot

While for files of models etc, I totally agree with the files sections in
the forum, but I doubt someone would go to the trouble of opening the
section, just for a screen capture of an error message. I certainly
wouldn't, but then again our internet connections are slower than the main
stream user, so there is less waiting time for others.

Other web based forums I have used allow image attachments as long as they
are smaller than 30k.

But anyway it is no issue, cos at least we still have this email user group,
as a second option.

Regards

Barry


----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Wertel" <swertel@yahoo.com>
To: <alibre@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 9:08 PM
Subject: [Alibre Design] Re: ModelPress Install Error


> FYI:
>
> The attachments should go in the binaries forum. To do this, you
> start this thread in the add-on forum and make a note that you will
> be posting an attachment to the binaries forum. You then start
> another thread in the binaries area, preferably with the same title,
> and include you attachment. I know it is a few extra steps, but for
> those without broadband, it saves a lot of time to review posts.
>
> --Scott
>
>
> --- In alibre@yahoogroups.com, "Barry Kingwill" <barry@t...> wrote:
> > Model Press Install Error
> >
> > I would have posted this to the "Add-On's" section of the new
> Webforum, but you cannot include attachments and images there.
> >
> > I get this error (attached) when trying to install either
> ModelPress Publisher, or just ModelPress Viewer.
> >
> > The installation goes no further than this message.
> >
> > Any clues?
> >
> > Regs
> >
> > Barry
> >
> >
> > ---
> > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system ( http://www.grisoft.com).
> > Version: 6.0.661 / Virus Database: 424 - Release Date: 2004/04/19
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>



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FW: [Alibre Design] Optimum System for Alibre?

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From: Dave[SMTP:FLYWITHME6@COMCAST.NET]
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 5:08:53 PM
To: alibre@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Alibre Design] Optimum System for Alibre?
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This is long, so feel free to skip all the explanation crap and look at the summary at the bottom.



Too little ram will show up with things like, for example, patterning. Open your task manager, look at the processes page, go to View>Add Columns and add the Virtual Memory Size column, and then sort the image name column so Alibre.exe is at the top. Also, look down near the bottom of the task manager window at your commit charge. The big number is the amount of system ram + swap space (virtual ram), and not coincidently is twice the size of your physical ram at the default settings. The smaller number is how much you’re currently using. You can also see the same figures on the Performance tab in the “Commit Charge (k)” box. Also of note on the Performance page is the Physical Memory box. See how much is available? If you have only 256mb ram and have much running, you’ll probably not have much available to use. Ok, now to start breaking stuff… :) Go back to the Processes tab and look at Alibre.exe. Start a sketch in an Alibre part. Sketch a few small hex figures. Now start to create a pattern of those sketches, say 10x10. You’ll see a preview quickly, but now hit ‘ok’ in the patterning or step and repeat box, whatever it’s called. That will really jam you up. Go back to the task manager window and look at Alibre.exe. The CPU cycles will be maybe 100%, and the Mem Usage and VMSize columns will be climbing. If you look on the Applications tab, Alibre Design may say “not responding”, but it’s just actually churning away. Eventually, your used commit charge will exceed the peak, and windows will tell you something about automatically increasing your virtual memory or something to that effect. Do yourself a favor, and before this happens, end the Alibre.exe process or application. Once the resizing operation begins, you’re nearly locked up until you get the process ended, reboot the machine, or wait however long it takes, and it could be hours and hours.



So…what are the recommendations?



On Processor speed: the faster the processor is (and front-side bus - The fastest motherboards now have 800Mhz FSBs), the faster everything - features, patterns, drawing views, etc. will be created. There are other performance specs besides just the speed of the cpu that make a difference. Also to watch for besides FSB (which is a motherboard function that must be matched to the CPU) is the size of L2 Cache and L3 cache on some Xeon chips. Cache is the highest-speed temporary data storage area on the computer because it’s built right onto the CPU chip, so the more the better. Celeron’s lack much of this, and is why they are slower. Also, some of the new chips support “hyper-threading”. Look that up in google.com to read about it. Basically here’s how all this affects you: the faster the processor is, the faster everything happens.



RAM: The reason RAM is so important is this: no matter how fast your processor, frontside bus, etc. is, if you use up all the physical ram and start using lots of virtual memory, you’re reading from the hard drive, which is the absolute slowest data access system on the computer. Sure, your Dual Xeon 3.06Ghz 800Mhz FSB hyper-threading CPU is fast, but if you don’t have enough ram, you’re at the mercy of your hard drive. Basically, get as much as you can stuff into the motherboard. Most of the time you may not use it all, but when you start doing things like patterning, you’ll be glad you have it.



Video Memory: Cards with 128mb and even 256mb are affordable. Don’t waste money on one of the crazy expensive OpenGL 2 cad cards. Alibre uses DirectX, so one of the good video game cards should work well. With fast video cards with lots of memory, you get smooth rotations and zoom levels. I have 128mb card and even the most complex assembly I have rotates very smoothly.



Quick summary:

Get fastest processor you can, preferably one for a 800Mhz FSB motherboard and as much RAM as will fit into the system. (I like Rambus 1066 mhz ram, but the high speed DDR ram is good too. That’s just personal preference.) If it pushes you over the limit, still max the memory, and drop down a few speeds on the processor. There are big price drops when you don’t get the absolute fastest processor out there. Get at least a 128mb video card.



And, here’s the good part – you can easily do it for well under $3000. For example – here’s a website I use from time to time for my networking customers. http://www.pcusa.com. They’re in Georgia, so you may not even have to pay tax. There are many many websites that sell machines like this, find your favorite.



For $2600 you can get:



Intel 800Mhz FSB Motherboard, built in Video (which you won’t use), audio, LAN

Intel 3.4Ghz hyper-threading CPU

4GB !!!! of PC3200 DDR400 ram (Oh how I wish I had 4GB of ram, the max WinXP can even use)

Floppy drive

120GB 8MB Cache Serial ATA hard drive

8X DVD/CD Burner

128mb Radeon pro video card



I’ve recently purchased a few of these for some networking clients, so I had all the specs already.

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From: brian_wheeler88 [mailto:brian@wirefabco.com]
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 4:06 PM
To: alibre@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Alibre Design] Optimum System for Alibre?



I've got a question for anyone?

I'm running Alibre Pro. on a P4, 1.4 GHz, 256MB RAM w/ a cheap video
card. It works great for simple stuff, but obviously bogs down with
more complex parts, assemblies and especially drawings. I design
retail fixtures, which utilize a wide range of materials, such as
perforated sheet metal, expanded metal and wire grid. I have found
that modeling some of these materials is probhibitive with my current
system. My questions are as follows:

1. Is my system bogging down because of poor modeling techniques on
my behalf? For example, to model a perforated sheet, I start out
with a flat tab (if in sheet metal module), or a thin extrusion (if
in part module) and put 1 hole in it. Then I pattern that hole in
the direction of the width of the sheet, then pattern that pattern in
the direction of the length of the sheet. If I do this with any
significant number of holes, I end up shutting my computer off after
10-15 minutes of processing, without a finished part.

2. If the above modeling method is reasonable, is there a system out
there that will do it quickly. I've heard much conflicting advice
regarding ideal system components for this type of program. Some say
it's all about processor speed, some say it's all about RAM, and
others say it's all about the video card. Does anybody know, from
experience, what really works? My employer has given me a $3000
budget for a new workstation. Is is possible to build a system that
would allow me to model these types of parts efficiently in this
price range. If so, can anybody make specific system recommendations?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Brian






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FW: [Alibre Design] Optimum System for Alibre?

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From: Robert Beach[SMTP:RBEACH@SEAWARD.COM]
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 5:17:20 PM
To: alibre@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Alibre Design] Optimum System for Alibre?
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I recently bought @Xi workstation with an Athlon 3400 64-bit chip, 2GB ram (for FEA work), 120 GB hard drive, Quadro FX500 video card (128MB), CD RW, and 22" CRT monitor running XP Pro for a little less than $3,000. I haven't had any problems running Alibre, although I'm not a heavy user.

Bob Beach

[Robert Beach]




-----Original Message-----
From: brian_wheeler88 [mailto:brian@wirefabco.com]
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 5:06 PM
To: alibre@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Alibre Design] Optimum System for Alibre?



I've got a question for anyone?

I'm running Alibre Pro. on a P4, 1.4 GHz, 256MB RAM w/ a cheap video
card. It works great for simple stuff, but obviously bogs down with
more complex parts, assemblies and especially drawings. I design
retail fixtures, which utilize a wide range of materials, such as
perforated sheet metal, expanded metal and wire grid. I have found
that modeling some of these materials is probhibitive with my current
system. My questions are as follows:

1. Is my system bogging down because of poor modeling techniques on
my behalf? For example, to model a perforated sheet, I start out
with a flat tab (if in sheet metal module), or a thin extrusion (if
in part module) and put 1 hole in it. Then I pattern that hole in
the direction of the width of the sheet, then pattern that pattern in
the direction of the length of the sheet. If I do this with any
significant number of holes, I end up shutting my computer off after
10-15 minutes of processing, without a finished part.

2. If the above modeling method is reasonable, is there a system out
there that will do it quickly. I've heard much conflicting advice
regarding ideal system components for this type of program. Some say
it's all about processor speed, some say it's all about RAM, and
others say it's all about the video card. Does anybody know, from
experience, what really works? My employer has given me a $3000
budget for a new workstation. Is is possible to build a system that
would allow me to model these types of parts efficiently in this
price range. If so, can anybody make specific system recommendations?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Brian




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FW: [Alibre Design] Re: Alibre Design Newsgroup Forum Update

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From: Robert Beach[SMTP:RBEACH@SEAWARD.COM]
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 5:03:34 PM
To: alibre@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Alibre Design] Re: Alibre Design Newsgroup Forum Update
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How about a "how do I do it?" section?

Bob Beach

-----Original Message-----
From: gregmilliken [mailto:gregm@alibre.com]
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 4:13 PM
To: alibre@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Alibre Design] Re: Alibre Design Newsgroup Forum Update


The new newsgroup will be readable with a standard newsreader and it
also will have a web interface, so you get the best of both worlds.

We are also reviewing the categories suggested by Scott as a first
pass. These include:
(1) binaries
(2) miscellaneous
(3) file management
(4) enhancements
(5) hardware
(6) Alibre Announcements
(7) add-ons

Bear with us as this gets rolling. We'll tweak it as rapidly as
possible to meet everyone's expectations.

-Greg


--- In alibre@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <flywithme6@c...> wrote:
> Outhouse Express? Yuck. I use Forte Agent for reading news, but
mainly
> because I download a lot of binaries as well, and Outhouse express
is
> horrible for downloading newsgroup binaries.
>
>
>
> But I don't think they are going to be creating a usenet
newsgroup, but a
> web based forum. Creating a usenet group newsgroup takes no
effort at all,
> unless you want to host it on your own server like SolidEdge
does. All you
> do is send a control message to alt.config and your group is
created. After
> your friends and collegues start using the group, you can start
asking the
> other nsp's to start carrying that group and the whole world can
start using
> it. I was under the impression that they are going to start up a
web based
> forum.
>
>
>
> Anyone have any more details on what the new message group will be?
>
> _____
>
> From: Scott Wertel [mailto:swertel@y...]
> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 7:45 AM
> To: alibre@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Alibre Design] Re: Alibre Design Newsgroup Forum Update
>
>
>
> If you use the newsreader provided by your email applications
> (assuming you don't use Outlook, which forces you into Outlook
> Express for news), you essentially do get all the messages in your
> inbox. It's just a different inbox.
>
> --Scott
>
>
> --- In alibre@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <flywithme6@c...> wrote:
> > I was under the impression it would be more of a bulletin board,
> much like
> > the forums at these places:
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.reeflounge.com/forum/index.php
> >
> > http://www.eng-tips.com < http://www.eng-tips.com/>
> >
> > http://web.camaross.com/forums/
> >
> >
> >
> > (I just noticed, there already IS an Alibre forum on eng-
tips.com
> at
> > http://www.eng-
tips.com/gthreadminder.cfm/lev2/22/lev3/70/pid/859 )
> >
> >
> >
> > These forums have thousands of members, over 7,000 on the
> reeflounge and
> > 44,000 on the CamaroZ28.com lounge. My concern is that there
> aren't really
> > enough Alibre list members (yet) that are active posters to
> support a group
> > like that. While it may be possible with the other groups,
> currently the
> > only way you can receive actual emails from them is if you
either
> created
> > the thread, or responded to an existing one. I feel that the
fact
> that this
> > group can be sent straight to people's inboxes is one of the
> reason nearly
> > every post or question gets responded to quickly. I believe
that
> if the
> > group is switched to a website that must be logged into in order
> to read
> > posts, that the speed at which questions get answered and the
> number of
> > people that respond to each one will drop.
> >
> >
> >
> > I know that every question that's posed to the current group
gets
> answered,
> > largely because it shows up in people's inboxes. If you look at
> the
> > eng-tips.com Alibre forum, there are many questions that had no
> responses at
> > all.
> >
> >
> >
> > I know for me, personally, I only go to the other groups from
time
> to time,
> > when I have something to look up, or am looking to buy something
> on one of
> > their for sale boards. But I check my email frequently
throughout
> the day.
> > If it's possible to have both, a forum style bulletin board, and
> still
> > receive all messages through email, that would be the best of
both
> worlds.
> > But if not, I think the amount of postings and responses will
drop
> for a
> > while until the number of users climbs dramatically. Maybe not,
> just my
> > belief.
> >
> >
> >
> > How many of you out there read this group mainly or strictly
> through the
> > Yahoo web interface?
>
>
>
>
>
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